This is how I imagine a discussion with the devs go regarding Pneumonia:

Me - I'm wearing and space suit right?
Devs - Yes.
Me - I don't run out of O2 while underwater right?
Devs - Yes.
Me - I'm protected against the environmental toxins in the atmosphere due to a disfuntional terraforming?
Devs - Yes.
Me - This space suit protects me in from the zero ATM of space right?
Devs - Yes.
Me - I only breath the oxygen that I bring along with my in my suit?
Devs - Yes.
Me - Bing Says: An infection caused by bacteria or virus. Bacterial and viral pneumonia spread through inhalation of airborne droplets by coughing or sneezing
Link Here: https://www.bing.com/search?q=pneumonia&filters=ufn%3a%22pneumonia%22+sid%3a%221e20177c-cff7-f550-fa1d-9768fc6bc779%22&qs=MB&pq=pneu&sc=8-4&cvid=2800F0000709483F832939C055371490&FORM=QBRE&sp=1

Me - Then how do I contract Pneumonia when I am not breathing the planet's atmosphere and I am breathing oxygen directly from a space suit that protects me from space?
Devs - Because we say so and we want you to waste your time running in and out of a cave unless you create an expensive device to place in the cave called a Dehumidifier. So shall it be written, so shall it be done.
Me - Um, cave humidity just makes my helmet foggy. But ok, if you say so.
Devs - Yes.
Me - Just one more thing, dear sirs.....
Devs - YES?
Me - Do you have a space suit I can buy that not only protects against the freezing temperatures of space (but not the planet), not only protects my lungs from exploding in space (but not the planet), not only provides me with O2,, but also filters the out the .05 to .5 microns of bacterial and viruses? I would pay for that.
Devs - NO!
Me - Oh, bye the way......
Devs - YES!?!
Me - Why does just entering a cave sap about 1/3 of my Stamina?
Devs - Cuz.
Me- Ok, I'll go away now.
Devs - YES.

ive never heard it refered to as a SPACE suit or being viable in zero atmos. its always called enviro suit.

True, but we wear it on the way up and down from orbit. What is it then, a spandex jogging suit? No Astonaut/Cosmonaut would venture out of their cubby hole without one.

Originally posted by Tyler:

ive never heard it refered to as a SPACE suit or being viable in zero atmos. its always called enviro suit.

Exactly. It isn't a space suit, and you're in a low oxygen environment, not zero oxygen. The suit supplements the oxygen in the atmosphere.

It's amazing how many people do not understand that. It's also crazy that people can't manage to wrap their heads around the cave effects and pneumonia on the surface of a planet where terraforming went wrong. An alien planet where there are some strange creatures, crazy weather patterns, exotic materials, and other unknowns.

It's also a GAME so you have to apply video game logic. Stop complaining about it, play the game, and have fun. I've never seen so many complaints about non-issues.

Originally posted by Pumagon:

True, but we wear it on the way up and down from orbit. What is it then, a spandex jogging suit? No Astonaut/Cosmonaut would venture out of their cubby hole without one.

You're in a sealed pod. It's not a space suit. The game flat out tells you that it's an environmental suit. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by Pumagon:

True, but we wear it on the way up and down from orbit. What is it then, a spandex jogging suit? No Astonaut/Cosmonaut would venture out of their cubby hole without one.

You're in a sealed pod. It's not a space suit. The game flat out tells you that it's an environmental suit. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Whats so hard FOR YOU to comprehend about the term ENVIRONMENTAL SUIT?
Look it up, here, let me help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_suit.
Like you state the game clearly states its an Environmental suit, did you not know what that actually is??

An environmental suit is a suit designed specifically for a particular environment, usually one otherwise hostile to humans. An environment suit is typically a one-piece garment, and many types also feature a helmet or other covering for the head. Where the surrounding environment is especially dangerous the suit is completely sealed.

Later developments were designed to protect the wearer from the cold (for example wetsuits and other ambient pressure suits) or from undersea high pressure and the resulting decompression sickness (for example atmospheric diving suits). Protecting the wearer from cold is also a feature of ski suits.

The most extreme environmental suits are used by astronauts to protect them during ascent and while in the vacuum of space: space suits and space activity suits. Such suits are self-supporting, and include a supply of oxygen for the wearer.

Environmental suits are also used to protect the wearer from contamination (for example hazmat suits), or conversely to protect the environment from contamination by the wearer (see cleanroom suits). The concept of an environmental suit protecting someone from contamination is a feature of the boy in the bubble trope: both David Vetter and Ted DeVita at some point used such suits.

Every f-ing spacecraft is sealed and pressurized, still everyone on board wears a space suit. With helmet on and visor closed in critical phases of flight like landing and starting from an planet.

If it would be only for supplement oxygen, a tube in the nose, or a mask would be enough.
Also Icarus suit must be sealed, or how else you explain that you can stay under water forever ?!?

Pneumonia in general, and especially how it was implemented, like completely randomly when you get it, timer reset while you already have it, no cooldown after you had it, is utterly retarded.
This game has many mechanics that are not well thought out, and/or not well implemented.
But pneumonia is the worst.

As quickly and brilliantly as things burn on this planet, you're not convincing me of this "low O2" thing. I'll buy toxic atmosphere though.

Pneumonia? Not convincing at all. Radiation sickness from underground minerals and exotics would make more sense.

You've got to love the fanboy scientists in this game. Icarus 'lore' could state that you have to wear your pants on your head to cope with unusual gravitational effects and Macdallan would staunchly defend it as obvious science that no-one else understands.

Look up environmental suits. Space suits are a sub-set of them. So being an environmental suit does not stop it being a space suit, just like being a bear does not stop an organism from being a mammal.

But lets stick with the term environmental suit. The in-game description lists them as being sealed. the link that Belstrahdt posted clearly states that "Where the surrounding environment is especially dangerous the suit is completely sealed.". Yet for some reason, here on Icarus, a dangerous environment, the suit is only sealed when we are underwater.

Yes, this is a game, and games have their own mechanics. But this is yet another example where an issue in the community has been created by lazy design choices and the obvious lack of science background from a company purporting to make a sci-fi game. We know that "pneumonia" was tacked on half way through the beta process as a way to stop people living cheaply in caves. But they chose a ludicrous explanation, because they obviously don't know any better. They could have done anything else: some build up of radiation that you can see accumulating on a sensor in your suit, the cave worms being attracted to people spending a long time in the caves rather than have them hiding there at the start for you to clear and then not worry about. They could have called it the "stop hanging around in caves" debuff and it would have made more sense than pneumonia.

Perhaps if you go get yourself a science degree Macdallan, maybe you will stop telling others that the lack of understanding about basic science is all their fault. Probably not, given your head-in-the-sand approach so far, but it's worth a try.

Originally posted by Pumagon:

True, but we wear it on the way up and down from orbit. What is it then, a spandex jogging suit? No Astonaut/Cosmonaut would venture out of their cubby hole without one.

The shuttle crew did not Don EVA suits until they intended to go outside into
space. They actually flew around in ordinary uniforms.

That being said.

Apart from this one fact, the OP is 100% correct.

There has been so many threads about this and really they should have just used another word than pneumonia. It's just a way of balancing the game. They offer solutions to get rid of it which makes you have to make a base and work towards them or suffer with the debuffs. It's funny how people keep saying this takes away from the realism of the game but are fine with you being able to carry an entire base in your inventory lol

Lol to the people that say an enviro suit is supplementing the oxygen. The guy narrating your objectives tells you the air itself is toxic. I don't remember him saying that your suit filters out all of the toxins, except the bacteria causing pneumonia, and therefore you need to supplement your oxygen.

Also, the fact that you claim the suit supplements oxygen is a straight out false claim. Let's all lie about it!

https://surviveicarus.com/lore/

From the developer on their Icarus lore page, "No picture of the First Cohort is complete without the infamous Envirosuit, a miracle of low-cost survival design pioneered by Sinotai. The airtight suit provided a refillable water bladder, a digestive pouch for food, and even a bio-actuated micro grinder capable of processing small quantities of Oxite."

Airtight, interesting. "bio-actuated micro grinder capable of processing small quantities of Oxite." Also interesting. So no where in there does Pneumonia causing bacteria slip in. That is just strange!

Originally posted by stb155:

Every f-ing spacecraft is sealed and pressurized, still everyone on board wears a space suit. With helmet on and visor closed in critical phases of flight like landing and starting from an planet.

If it would be only for supplement oxygen, a tube in the nose, or a mask would be enough.
Also Icarus suit must be sealed, or how else you explain that you can stay under water forever ?!?

Pneumonia in general, and especially how it was implemented, like completely randomly when you get it, timer reset while you already have it, no cooldown after you had it, is utterly retarded.
This game has many mechanics that are not well thought out, and/or not well implemented.
But pneumonia is the worst.

it well thought and is called tablets which you can make in tier3 kitchen bench give you 10min buff which removes pneumonia and cave debuff

One question, How do you take medications in a sealed suit?
I have never even seen a "spacesuit" but i have worn a "MOPP"
suit a couple of times and you have to undress to take a piss
and to eat anything. That is not even a sealed suit.