personally I like it, i like almost everything in it other than the repair cost for larger ships, but I think its fine and just needs some cleaning up

I'm mostly baffled, but a few complaints I understand a little:
-As far as I can tell the AB aiming mechanics are hot garbage. RB doesn't have that problem.
-Running into surprise torpedoes is annoying, and in AB they get spammed more due to the free reloading and boosted stats.
-Some people are really upset by depth charges for some reason.
-The way a lot of players think the right thing to do with a cruiser is hide behind a rock rather upsets some people.
-Boat fights probably aren't the best, some boat trees are especially bad. For people who tried naval early on, you had to reach blue water by grinding through most of the coastal progression. That could be very off-putting though it hasn't been true for a while now.

-Some people are confused by the fact that reserve destroyers have the economics of reserve vehicles, not the economics of BR 3+ vehicles in most trees.


(Naval is my main mode of choice. I just started playing US 5.0 destroyers this week. Got to say they feel almost as overpowered to use as to fight against. Even stock, when they're not severely uptiered against heavy cruisers.)

It's very slow paced (Not counting coastal and low tier destroyers) which some people enjoy. The compression is terrible and a 1br difference is massive, there's not much a 4.7 destroyer can do to a 5.7 cruiser while that 5.7 cruiser can't do much against a 6.7 battleship.

I don't mind it, I've unlocked about half of each tree with Britain. Not tried any other nations naval stuff yet. There's probably stuff that still needs addressing. I feel like planes are a little op in low br games, especially coastal. Once you get in a plane you're basically untouchable against the early boats that have no AA and have to rely on manual aim with inadequate weapons.

Aiming takes a little getting used to which might put people off and there's a big game play difference when using bigger ships which might throw people off who have only been using PT boats.

Some of the map designs make for poor matches, not really sure how to improve that. Maybe just need more cover, bigger terrain features so the teams aren't trading across the map from the get go.

Originally posted by dLFN:

It's very slow paced (Not counting coastal and low tier destroyers) which some people enjoy. The compression is terrible and a 1br difference is massive, there's not much a 4.7 destroyer can do to a 5.7 cruiser while that 5.7 cruiser can't do much against a 6.7 battleship.

A 4.7 destroyer can torpedo a 5.7 cruiser or blast up its unarmored upper-works. But it's true that it'll have trouble doing critical damage with gunnery at likely ranges, while the cruiser can devastate it in a single good volley.

Originally posted by Laigon ♥:

I don't mind it, I've unlocked about half of each tree with Britain. Not tried any other nations naval stuff yet. There's probably stuff that still needs addressing. I feel like planes are a little op in low br games, especially coastal. Once you get in a plane you're basically untouchable against the early boats that have no AA and have to rely on manual aim with inadequate weapons.

IME even very early boats have pretty adequate AA capability against at-BR aircraft in RB, provided the player is directing the weapons and has some grasp of how to aim AAA. (Reserve level boats may have little firepower, but reserve level planes are lightly armed, slow, and fragile.)

Entry-level destroyers, on the other hand, do often have very marginal AA defense for their BR.

AB probably strengthens the planes more than the ships, so if you're coming from there that's a perspective difference.

its mostly that I see people keep saying "we dont need an update for naval nobody plays it"

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

Originally posted by dLFN:

It's very slow paced (Not counting coastal and low tier destroyers) which some people enjoy. The compression is terrible and a 1br difference is massive, there's not much a 4.7 destroyer can do to a 5.7 cruiser while that 5.7 cruiser can't do much against a 6.7 battleship.

A 4.7 destroyer can torpedo a 5.7 cruiser or blast up its unarmored upper-works. But it's true that it'll have trouble doing critical damage with gunnery at likely ranges, while the cruiser can devastate it in a single good volley.

Originally posted by Laigon ♥:

I don't mind it, I've unlocked about half of each tree with Britain. Not tried any other nations naval stuff yet. There's probably stuff that still needs addressing. I feel like planes are a little op in low br games, especially coastal. Once you get in a plane you're basically untouchable against the early boats that have no AA and have to rely on manual aim with inadequate weapons.

IME even very early boats have pretty adequate AA capability against at-BR aircraft in RB, provided the player is directing the weapons and has some grasp of how to aim AAA. (Reserve level boats may have little firepower, but reserve level planes are lightly armed, slow, and fragile.)

Entry-level destroyers, on the other hand, do often have very marginal AA defense for their BR.

AB probably strengthens the planes more than the ships, so if you're coming from there that's a perspective difference.

Yeah I meant mainly in AB and low tier just because boats have peashooters there but planes can have bombs and just dive bomb without much chance of the boat defending. Some of those boats can't even aim fully upwards either.

Destroyers do have some AA defence but they're also slow and recently people like to park them so you can bomb them from altitude.

I used to like Naval... but the way gaijin uptiers players>I have no interest in building above the destroyers since cruisers were introduced.

Air is reason #2...air dominates in Naval(as it should) but its absolutely no fun getting bombed . Air should not be as readily available as it is now...NO fleets historically moved into enemy harbors without eliminating enemy air fields 1st.

Besides fleets became obsolete as direct attack tools in war once carriers took over as the fleets main ship ....the whole Naval Battle thing is nothing more than a Dream kids have in their bathtubs.

I think (from my experience) it's mainly because... it's naval. I love smaller ships, I love playing cruisers when the action is intense and stuff, haven't gotten fully to battleships. But the issue is it's very very hit or miss. Vehicles usually kick ass or suck horribly, suffers from some bad compression in that sense.

Gameplay can also be very sloggish. I hate spawning in and getting lasered by the entire enemy team in cruisers+. I've started spawning in a bit late and switching instantly to 1/3 speed to avoid this. It's just not entirely fun getting pelted half the match and micro managing fires + repairs + water level.

Don't get me wrong, I can't think of a way to do it better, but that's the issue. The core mode is really fun, but matches can be just really painful sometimes

Originally posted by Geese:

personally I like it, i like almost everything in it other than the repair cost for larger ships, but I think its fine and just needs some cleaning up

People get mad about the repairs, late game shell rain and torpedo rush on the spawns and in low tier players will go ballistic when they see one of the top tier costal premiums running around, once those show up the chat goes to hell really fast. I like sailing my Mikuma, nuking people with my japanese super torpedoes and being the next best thing to a top tier dreadnought in terms of being a bullet sponge and I used to like low tier but the premiums make it awful either from players going to war in the chat, revenge CAS spamming often managing to shoot at or bomb friendly boats if the kill the auto cannon player (which is honestly impressive considering the giant name tag over our heads) or my teammates will see one of the auto cannon premiums and just J out and leave before they can be shot or killed, sometimes they even J out on a cap to avoid feeding SL and points to the auto cannon's.

Originally posted by Geese:

its mostly that I see people keep saying "we dont need an update for naval nobody plays it"

It also takes nearly 10 minutes to find a match during high traffic periods of the day with a total of about 40-50 players spread across every nation and BR, its pretty time consuming when the shortest wait time is nearly as long as half the actual match and that peak time is 1-3 AM where I live so... not great. On the bright side I have a PS-vita, lots of books and youtube to watch, play or read while I wait, my normal wait is 20-25 minutes, longest was a little over 55 minutes for rank 1 BR 3.7 japan. So the "nobody plays it" quote isn't to far off from the truth.

Originally posted by Laigon ♥:

Yeah I meant mainly in AB and low tier just because boats have peashooters there but planes can have bombs and just dive bomb without much chance of the boat defending. Some of those boats can't even aim fully upwards either.

I'm pretty sure the damage dynamic is much the same - at BR 1.0 rifle-caliber MGs are plenty to kill planes and most boats have heavier weapons than that. Of course, as for ground SPAA, killing a plane doesn't mean it won't also kill you. And many coastal boats are small and unprotected enough to be practically strafed to death by planes once the planes have more than a pair of rifle-caliber guns to use..

Originally posted by Laigon ♥:

Destroyers do have some AA defence but they're also slow and recently people like to park them so you can bomb them from altitude.

Destroyers are fast. Most destroyers are faster than boats that aren't hydroplaning torpedo boats - and some are faster than some boats that are. However, they're much bigger targets and turn slower.

Of course, in AB you can just take the shot, miss, and then try again 30 seconds later. In RB you'd need minutes to land, reload, and return to the battle area, so you don't throw away munitions so casually. And in AB you've got the bomb crosshair making it much easier to release bombs accurately from a distance.

In short, I recommend playing RB for naval. Unlike ground and air the base mechanics of the mode are the same as AB. But the details are largely changed for the better.

The very first destroyers often don't have much AA though. You'll see just a few machineguns or 20mm cannon, and maybe a useless 3" gun with no airburst rounds. Against that planes can operate with near-impunity.

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

It also takes nearly 10 minutes to find a match during high traffic periods of the day with a total of about 40-50 players spread across every nation and BR, its pretty time consuming when the shortest wait time is nearly as long as half the actual match and that peak time is 1-3 AM where I live so... not great. On the bright side I have a PS-vita, lots of books and youtube to watch, play or read while I wait, my normal wait is 20-25 minutes, longest was a little over 55 minutes for rank 1 BR 3.7 japan. So the "nobody plays it" quote isn't to far off from the truth.

...Yeah, it is. I've never seen matching times as long as your 'normal' wait.

Though what does often happen is once you've been through a match and finish it and queue for another, you basically wind up right back with all the same people.

Originally posted by Geese:

personally I like it, i like almost everything in it other than the repair cost for larger ships, but I think its fine and just needs some cleaning up

play world of warships if you want naval? warthunder naval combat isnt that fun tries to hard to be world of warships but does it worse, because lack of big ships, lack of historical heavy names like the Bismark, hood, independence, Montana and much more names. just go play world of warships for ships they do it much better and have much more options.

Originally posted by `RV|Pride:

Originally posted by Geese:

personally I like it, i like almost everything in it other than the repair cost for larger ships, but I think its fine and just needs some cleaning up

play world of warships if you want naval? warthunder naval combat isnt that fun tries to hard to be world of warships but does it worse, because lack of big ships, lack of historical heavy names like the Bismark, hood, independence, Montana and much more names. just go play world of warships for ships they do it much better and have much more options.

...Sure, if your priority is seeing the names of famous WWII battleships in the game, and you don't care about the complete disregard for simulation.

Maybe 'everyone' hates naval because US 5.0 destroyers break the whole thing?

I have Porter/Somers/Moffett as a lineup. They're not spaded or ace crewed or anything. They just bagged 10+ kills 2 games in a row. While facing at least BR 5.3 both games. And I'm somewhat good at naval but I am not that good.

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

Originally posted by `RV|Pride:

play world of warships if you want naval? warthunder naval combat isnt that fun tries to hard to be world of warships but does it worse, because lack of big ships, lack of historical heavy names like the Bismark, hood, independence, Montana and much more names. just go play world of warships for ships they do it much better and have much more options.

...Sure, if your priority is seeing the names of famous WWII battleships in the game, and you don't care about the complete disregard for simulation.

what simulation? there isnt ship simulation like tank and plane because you know how unweildy a ship is? plane simulation is fun so is tank even tho your looking at it through a weird position not where the commanders port is.