I play naval time to time as tbh it's a great SL grind plus it's not half bad these days.... though the BR compression there is nutty lol. Scharnhorst for sure shouldn't be 7.0 when it is outgunned by everything at equal rank on all nations hell even some ships at 6.3 outgun it hard... the only thing it has is speed to some extent though it's not nearly enough to justify 7.0 as if that is the match it's not about trivial speed differences it's all about aim and what level of firepower you have.... Scharnhorst struggles to kill any battleships

Though either way naval does need a BR increase to 7,7 that'll certainly help with some obvious ships being substantially better than equal BR in other nations (US is by far the worst offender of this)

Sorry but I can help laughing at this coming on the heels of some genius yesterday in another thread claiming WW1 era battleships suffer, and here we have one of if not the only (am I forgetting any others?) representative currently in game of the last generation battleships which apparently can’t hack the same BR as my 1913 battlecruiser masquerading as a fast battleship, I’m suffering whiplash here

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Sorry but I can help laughing at this coming on the heels of some genius yesterday in another thread claiming WW1 era battleships suffer, and here we have one of if not the only representative currently in game of the last generation battleships which apparently can’t hack the same BR as my 1913 battlecruiser masquerading as a fast battleship, I’m suffering whiplash here

Maybe, not stating balance will ever be near perfect they're not capable plus arguments can be always made for X at X BR, however in this case it's pretty clear the Scharnhorst doesn't belong at 7.0, not anymore, for a time oh yeah it was near top dog for a while... now it's getting slapped by plenty oh ships even at 6.3 as once you get past heavy cruisers it's nearly all about aim plus firepower ... and armour. Scharnhorst has below average firepower by a lot.... and mediocre armour in part to it being a BC

scharnorst is weak, Norway with the HNoMS Stord (Ex-G26 HMS Success) managed to get closest of all the others, 1.5-1.6km and fire 8 torpedoes into its side, as well as usig cannons hehe ;)


It sank, and only 36 of 1850 men survived on the Scharnorst

Br in Naval does not matter. If you are 6.0 then you can face 7.0 which is as high as it goes.
The first BC are at 5.7 *they are not very fierce) The first BB are at 6.3 and they can fight 7.0
In order to avoid the real monsters you have to play 4.3 where you still run in CA.
BR in naval counts for very little. Take a 6.0 ship but have a 5.0 destroyer in your line up. The 5.0 can sink the 7.0 if it gets a torpedo solution.
5.7 Japanese CA can dominate battles (if they had a 6.0 in the lineup) Because they can fire a spread of torpedoes that are the largest fastest longest range. (many times my CA has been dead for minutes when it sinks several enemy ships)
Scharnhorst is a beast fine where it is at

well yes and no.
To sink a CA, BC, or BB with a torp you need a lot of luck as most of them are well protected.
The Scharnhorst and the Alaska being in the same BR is not really equal as Scharnhorst can do barely anything to an Alaska but slowly grinding down the crew, while the Alaska can relatively easy destroy the Scharnhorst. Nearly all other ships seem way more balanced (besides the redicules OP firepower of the Helenas)

Originally posted by Mephisto:

well yes and no.
To sink a CA, BC, or BB with a torp you need a lot of luck as most of them are well protected.
The Scharnhorst and the Alaska being in the same BR is not really equal as Scharnhorst can do barely anything to an Alaska but slowly grinding down the crew, while the Alaska can relatively easy destroy the Scharnhorst. Nearly all other ships seem way more balanced (besides the redicules OP firepower of the Helenas)

For Scharnhorst to avoid the Alaska it would need to be a BR 5.7

6.7 literally wont make any difference. %99 of matches 6.0 and above are always played at 7.0

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

6.7 literally wont make any difference. %99 of matches 6.0 and above are always played at 7.0

Yes unless you are in a battleship playing 6.0 (or higher, there are non battleship/battlecrusier above 6.0) you are going to face battleships. Most of them can be sunk by CA/CL gunfire (use HE in secondaries to start fires and shoot their bridge to ruin their steering and then line up torpedoes) USN CA do not have torpedoes but they have 9x8inch guns with among the fastest reloads.
When I drive a battleship it is Helenas that kill me more often then enemy battleships.
Most BB are not 7.0 they are 6.3 or 6.7 because of their slow speed, poor AA, bad armor. They just have 12 or 14inch guns. If you are sitting still they will murder you. You can usually see the shells incoming and actually dodge them. If you don't have torpedoes you have no reason to get under 10k from them. So you have time to dodge.
You want the plunging fire rather then the direct fire.

Then a destroyer come sneaking up on you, killing you hahaha