read the title, ♥♥♥♥ ATGMs and planes. I want to play ground forces not rocketman simulator. nothing is fun at all about dying to a rocket from two miles away that completely ignores all your armor.

"Skill Issue Bypass" is not available in the Gaijin store.

"Nothing is fun at all about dying to a rocket from two miles away that completely ignores your armor" Then just play low tier ground. I agree, helicopter ATGMS/Tank ATGMS are annoying. Everything is paper at high tier. You have to worry about airplanes dropping bombs even in low tier but not as annoying in lower tiers since armor actually matters.

But they'll never implement a mode that has JUST tanks. If they do, I'll be surprised as hell and will probably play this game a lot more.

Originally posted by Jellyfrosh:

read the title, ♥♥♥♥ ATGMs and planes. I want to play ground forces not rocketman simulator. nothing is fun at all about dying to a rocket from two miles away that completely ignores all your armor.

is that german armor or ussr armor you using?

I shouldn't have to gimp myself and play low tier because little timmy no thumbs wants to play his overpowered rocket heli/atgm because he can't aim and somehow heatfs wasn't easy mode enough already.

I played this game before they were put in, high tier played 10000x better. It's not a "skill issue" either. what is skilled about going hull down on a rock with an atgm where nobody can see you or hit you and spam 400mm+ pen rockets at them from a mile away? if I die to a leopard spamming heatfs at least he had to expose himself to shoot at me, atgms they just hide all game. and it doesn't matter what country I play, I have this issue with all of them. even my tanks with ERA get rocket spammed to death it's retarded.

Originally posted by Jellyfrosh:

I shouldn't have to gimp myself and play low tier because little timmy no thumbs wants to play his overpowered rocket heli/atgm because he can't aim and somehow heatfs wasn't easy mode enough already.

I played this game before they were put in, high tier played 10000x better. It's not a "skill issue" either. what is skilled about going hull down on a rock with an atgm where nobody can see you or hit you and spam 400mm+ pen rockets at them from a mile away? if I die to a leopard spamming heatfs at least he had to expose himself to shoot at me, atgms they just hide all game. and it doesn't matter what country I play, I have this issue with all of them. even my tanks with ERA get rocket spammed to death it's retarded.

dont worry about rockets in high tier all tank are huge weakspot than m4 armor

I would think they could add a tank only mode fairly easily. Not sure why more options would be a bad thing. I know I would get way less annoyed in such a mode.

Originally posted by MaGicBush:

I would think they could add a tank only mode fairly easily. Not sure why more options would be a bad thing. I know I would get way less annoyed in such a mode.

because you have just turned the game into WoT and nothing can compete with that
monster.
As WT is now, you might not like it but is is unique.

I would easily pay 200 dollars if they get rid of tanks and boats in this game so they can concentrate purely on Air...

Originally posted by Jellyfrosh:

I shouldn't have to gimp myself and play low tier because little timmy no thumbs wants to play his overpowered rocket heli/atgm because he can't aim and somehow heatfs wasn't easy mode enough already.

I played this game before they were put in, high tier played 10000x better. It's not a "skill issue" either. what is skilled about going hull down on a rock with an atgm where nobody can see you or hit you and spam 400mm+ pen rockets at them from a mile away? if I die to a leopard spamming heatfs at least he had to expose himself to shoot at me, atgms they just hide all game. and it doesn't matter what country I play, I have this issue with all of them. even my tanks with ERA get rocket spammed to death it's retarded.

The game evolves and some players evolve along with it,.... and then there are those that don't.

Originally posted by Jellyfrosh:

♥♥♥♥ ATGMs and planes. I want to play ground forces not rocketman simulator.

This may shock you buddy... but there are ATGMs on Ground Vehicles.

Originally posted by Jellyfrosh:

I shouldn't have to gimp myself and play low tier because little timmy no thumbs wants to play his overpowered rocket heli/atgm because he can't aim and somehow heatfs wasn't easy mode enough already.

I played this game before they were put in, high tier played 10000x better. It's not a "skill issue" either. what is skilled about going hull down on a rock with an atgm where nobody can see you or hit you and spam 400mm+ pen rockets at them from a mile away? if I die to a leopard spamming heatfs at least he had to expose himself to shoot at me, atgms they just hide all game. and it doesn't matter what country I play, I have this issue with all of them. even my tanks with ERA get rocket spammed to death it's retarded.

I quite really dont have this issue? Might be a skill issue? On most ATGM tanks you can just lob an HE their way, hitting the launcher is already enough to eradicate their paper hulls

Originally posted by MaGicBush:

I would think they could add a tank only mode fairly easily. Not sure why more options would be a bad thing. I know I would get way less annoyed in such a mode.

Bad thing about that would be that the playerbase is split even further, and with ~50k players around the globe that all like different things, we already get nice matchmaking queues of up to 15 minutes at times. Thats the reason why this wont be a thing for quite some time.. but I doubt Gaijin will ever go a positive way again so we can see more players back in this game.

I dont think they need to remove air from ground battles. I think they need to make the battle more challenging for air. Currently we have a tiny rectangular map that air knows is full of tanks but real life battles this is not the case. Now I am NOT saying to make this like real life where there could be tanks anywhere in a front 100s of km long with SPAA in unknown locations rather than being on a spawn point. But I am just pointing out it is an advantage in game aircraft receive in comparison to RL counterparts which they are modelled after.
There are options on how to better ground battles without removing aircraft:

• either somehow make the map larger and more diverse so aircraft have to keep their balls to the wall in keeping an eye out for SPAA that isn't in one location but could be anywhere along with aircraft they already have to watch out for, it would also make tanks harder to spot since they have more ground to be on. A larger map would need more tanks to fill it as well
  
• RNG SPAA firing from the enemy side back of the map so it makes aircraft have to concentrate of both ground and possible unknown SPAA fire to mimic real life situation
  
• Make aircraft real cheap like SPAA is so you can get up there and get that prick in the helo. To offset this make tanks really cheap to spawn as well with unlimited spawns. Reduce the cost of repair for this game mode since there is going to be a lot of spawning

These are all options to make ground battles better without removing aircraft, or of course we could just remove aircraft and call it WoT game mode

Will you also take a highly cut rewards modifiers too, like even a flawless win results in a loss?

Gaijin loves to retaliate against people like that.

Originally posted by Leonov:

Will you also take a highly cut rewards modifiers too, like even a flawless win results in a loss?

Gaijin loves to retaliate against people like that.

The planes already get less then what they would in Air battles

Originally posted by Pozieres:

I dont think they need to remove air from ground battles. I think they need to make the battle more challenging for air. Currently we have a tiny rectangular map that air knows is full of tanks but real life battles this is not the case. Now I am NOT saying to make this like real life where there could be tanks anywhere in a front 100s of km long with SPAA in unknown locations rather than being on a spawn point. But I am just pointing out it is an advantage in game aircraft receive in comparison to RL counterparts which they are modelled after.
There are options on how to better ground battles without removing aircraft:

• either somehow make the map larger and more diverse so aircraft have to keep their balls to the wall in keeping an eye out for SPAA that isn't in one location but could be anywhere along with aircraft they already have to watch out for, it would also make tanks harder to spot since they have more ground to be on. A larger map would need more tanks to fill it as well
  
• RNG SPAA firing from the enemy side back of the map so it makes aircraft have to concentrate of both ground and possible unknown SPAA fire to mimic real life situation
  
• Make aircraft real cheap like SPAA is so you can get up there and get that prick in the helo. To offset this make tanks really cheap to spawn as well with unlimited spawns. Reduce the cost of repair for this game mode since there is going to be a lot of spawning

These are all options to make ground battles better without removing aircraft, or of course we could just remove aircraft and call it WoT game mode

The aircraft know there are tanks in the area thanks to their own tanks on the ground

Making the map bigger, not like people already hate big maps like Magino

The SPAA in air battles in the middle of the map are broken and you want that in GF?

Originally posted by biomike:

Originally posted by Leonov:

Will you also take a highly cut rewards modifiers too, like even a flawless win results in a loss?

Gaijin loves to retaliate against people like that.

The planes already get less then what they would in Air battles

Originally posted by Pozieres:

I dont think they need to remove air from ground battles. I think they need to make the battle more challenging for air. Currently we have a tiny rectangular map that air knows is full of tanks but real life battles this is not the case. Now I am NOT saying to make this like real life where there could be tanks anywhere in a front 100s of km long with SPAA in unknown locations rather than being on a spawn point. But I am just pointing out it is an advantage in game aircraft receive in comparison to RL counterparts which they are modelled after.
There are options on how to better ground battles without removing aircraft:

• either somehow make the map larger and more diverse so aircraft have to keep their balls to the wall in keeping an eye out for SPAA that isn't in one location but could be anywhere along with aircraft they already have to watch out for, it would also make tanks harder to spot since they have more ground to be on. A larger map would need more tanks to fill it as well
  
• RNG SPAA firing from the enemy side back of the map so it makes aircraft have to concentrate of both ground and possible unknown SPAA fire to mimic real life situation
  
• Make aircraft real cheap like SPAA is so you can get up there and get that prick in the helo. To offset this make tanks really cheap to spawn as well with unlimited spawns. Reduce the cost of repair for this game mode since there is going to be a lot of spawning

These are all options to make ground battles better without removing aircraft, or of course we could just remove aircraft and call it WoT game mode

The aircraft know there are tanks in the area thanks to their own tanks on the ground

Making the map bigger, not like people already hate big maps like Magino

The SPAA in air battles in the middle of the map are broken and you want that in GF?

On the maps, there is two camps and I find it 50-50 split really, at least amongst longer time players

There is a more mindset of quick battles that would be okay if a top tier battle took place inside a local Sam's Club store (approx 136,000 sq. ft.), then there is one that wouldn't mind something the size of the ETS2 map+Promods+Rusmap mod+Great Steppe mod being attached to it (in ETS 2 terms, that's literally like 3 or 4 hours of driving easily at 80 km/h btw.)

Honestly, IMO, for higher tiers, maps will need to get bigger, especially if they will incorporate aircraft, and even then, maps are small as it is to fit a plane in it. I mean, in lower tiers, most planes can easily fly over that in 2 or 3 seconds max at 300 km/h.